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    Wheel of Fortune - Puzzle Controversy

    I want to bring up a topic that has probably been brought up and discussed before, but it just seems a bit unfair in my opinion.

    When solving a puzzle on Wheel of Fortune, there seems to be an issue with the game's rules when it comes to speaking the answer out loud.

    Let me give you an example...

    In tonight's episode, there was a puzzle where the answer was "Floppy Wide-Brim Hat".

    The first contestant who said that she wanted to solve the puzzle, spoke out loud, "a Floppy Wide-Brim Hat". Pat stated that she was incorrect.

    The second contestant tried to solve the puzzle by stating simply "Floppy Wide-Brim Hat". They accepted her answer.

    When discussing what happened, Pat stated that the reason they couldn't accept the first contestant's answer was because she said "a Floppy Wide-Brim Hat" instead of just "Floppy Wide-Brim Hat". Furthermore, he said that if she would've said something along the lines of, "Is it a Floppy Wide-Brim Hat?" then they would have in fact accepted it, even though in this case, we're adding 3 words before the puzzle, instead of just one word.

    It's seems a bit unfair to me. I understand when we're talking about the plural versus singular context of a word in the puzzle, but when you're willing to accept one form of an answer (which has "is", "it" and "a" before the actual puzzle words), but you're not willing to accept a more direct form, with simply the word "a" before speaking out the puzzle, it just seems unfair.

    If you're going to do something like this, just take one stance or the other. Write in the rules that either you can only specifically say the words in the puzzle, or that you're leniant and you'll accept minor word additions like "it" or "the" or whatnot.

    But don't take both stances at the same time and say that adding 1 word before the puzzle is unacceptable, but adding 3 words before the puzzle is perfectly fine. That's just wrong, in my mind at least. That reminds me of the early Regis days of Who Wants to be a Millionaire, where up until the $1,000 question, Regis would often just accept the letter of the answer to the question, instead of asking "Is that your Final Answer?" every time. Someone could just blurt out the answer saying, "I think it's B", and then they accept the answer, then it turns out wrong, and the contestant can argue, "But I didn't say it was my 'Final Answer'."

    It's small things like this that can sometimes lead to outrage amongst people who watch game shows. The leniency factor. I'm sure the same thing happens when, for instance, on Family Feud, if the clock runs out to zero on "Fast Money" but the host still accepts the contestants answer(s) after the clock ran out, some contestants might argue that it would make the difference between winning or losing the $20,000. So if the host is laughing and having a good time because you gave one bad answer, he gives you the benefit of the doubt, but if you're just an average everyday contestant, the rules apply strictly to you.

    Just my two cents on the matter...

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    If it's the episode that just aired, the woman would have won $100,000 on the final puzzle. The answer was simple, even I got it.

    The puzzle said: D_AL_ _ _E
    The answer was:





































    DIALOGUE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lingofan97 View Post
    If it's the episode that just aired, the woman would have won $100,000 on the final puzzle.
    Yep, that's the episode alright...

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    To me, there's no controversy. The added "a" makes it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sshuffield70 View Post
    To me, there's no controversy. The added "a" makes it wrong.
    If I was a producer for the show I would have just given it to him/her.

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    Pat's explanation at the end of the show was somewhat convoluted. What he attempted to explain didn't quite work in clarifying the rules of solving a puzzle. He wasn't saying that it is okay to answer the puzzle as "is it a Floppy Wide Brim Hat". He cited the example if he himself were to ask the player what they think the answer is, and then that player replied directly to Pat "is it a floppy wide brim hat". Of course this scenario never happens; Pat does not "inquire" directly to the contestant once they state that they would like to solve the puzzle. Sometimes he says "take your time" or "carefully now" but he does not ask the player "what do you think the answer is?" Thus Pat's strange explanation was rather pointless.

    The rules provided to the contestants are quite clear. The puzzle must be solved verbatim without adding any words. "A" is a word. The contestant added that word. Her solve was incorrect. The producers ruled correctly. If they had "just given it to her" as suggested above, they would have been violating the written rules and the other two players would have been cheated.

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    I think you missed part of it. He said that if he asks a question after the contestant asks to solve — "I'd like to solve." "What is it?" "It's [answer]." Or "What do we have?" "We have [answer]."

    The extra words are considered a natural extension of the question. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lingofan97 View Post
    If I was a producer for the show I would have just given it to him/her.
    Well that's my point. She had the right answer. I also think they should've given her the trip in all fairness.

    It's one thing if you're on Who's Still Standing... or Jeopardy, where you have to specifically provide the correct answer in the form of a question, and if you don't, your answer is deemed incorrect (however, in the case of Who's Still Standing, you can guess as many times within the 20 seconds). But in this case, give me a break. It's not like the other contestants are going to complain because you're saying "It's a [insert answer here]." You're still giving the correct answer one way or the other. Plus, it's not like the puzzle was titled "Phrase", looking for a specific phrase as the answer.

    This reminds me of the $800,000 loss on the Million Dollar Money Drop...

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    They need to make it perfect clear that the puzzle must be solved verbratim without any adding after the contestant says I'd like to solve. I wouldn't of counted is it a
    viacom sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by DialgaChampion View Post
    Well that's my point. She had the right answer. I also think they should've given her the trip in all fairness.

    It's one thing if you're on Who's Still Standing... or Jeopardy, where you have to specifically provide the correct answer in the form of a question, and if you don't, your answer is deemed incorrect (however, in the case of Who's Still Standing, you can guess as many times within the 20 seconds). But in this case, give me a break. It's not like the other contestants are going to complain because you're saying "It's a [insert answer here]." You're still giving the correct answer one way or the other. Plus, it's not like the puzzle was titled "Phrase", looking for a specific phrase as the answer.

    This reminds me of the $800,000 loss on the Million Dollar Money Drop...
    You just don't get it at all. Citing examples from other shows is completely irrelevant. The rules of Wheel of Fortune are the only ones that apply here. The contestant added an extra word. The extra word was the word "A". Thus the solve attempt was incorrect. This exact situation has occurred many times throughout the history of the show. Always the player is deemed incorrect. I question how frequently you actually watch Wheel if you are so unfamiliar with the rules that you think they can just "give it to her" because she gave the correct answer "one way or the other". No, that doesn't count on Wheel Of Fortune. "One way or the other" is not acceptable. The producers/judges ruled properly. There is no gray area. There is no such thing as "just give it to her" on Wheel of Fortune. There are other competing contestants. This is not a single-player game.

    All the players are provided with an extensive, detailed printed contract which they sign prior to taping their episode. That contract contains explicit rules and one of the rules is that the puzzle must be solved EXACTLY as it appears on the puzzle board. And, you are very wrong on your second point... the other players ABSOLUTELY would have complained and would have rightfully stopped the taping in it's tracks if the producers "just gave it to her" and overlooked the fact that she added a word that did not appear on the puzzle board.

    Puzzles must be solved EXACTLY, word for word. There is no leeway. The only concession is for regional dialect (if somebody has a southern accent, for example) or if there is more than one common-usage pronunciation of a word (espresso is commonly called expresso). If the category is Proper Name, that name must be pronounced exactly as spelled. Once the puzzle was completely filled in but the contestant never heard of the person and pronounced the name incorrectly. That player was declared wrong. The next player pronounced the name correctly and won the round. Again... no leeway on Wheel Of Fortune. All the contestants know this before taking the stage.

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    Just a few days ago one of the contestant corrected herself after she mispronounced the first word and they gave it to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesFF View Post
    Just a few days ago one of the contestant corrected herself after she mispronounced the first word and they gave it to her.
    This is my point AlohaDave. Just as JamesFF has pointed out above, there is a grey area here, as with on all game shows. I do watch Wheel of Fortune quite frequently in fact. I have seen episodes in the past, like James mentioned, where leeway is given to contestants when solving puzzles. Pat further proved my point with his explanation at the end of the show's episode, indicating that there is leeway depending on the situation. As I previously mentioned, it's one thing if the puzzle is a "Phrase" and thus needs to be spoken out loud exactly word for word, since it is an actual phrase. But that was not the category for this puzzle.

    By your, and the producers' logic, what would happen if every single letter on the board was completely filled in, yet the contestant didn't properly pronounce the answer due to a speech impediment or an accent? Would they deem the contestant's answer incorrect, even though the entire puzzle was revealed on the board and the contestant was trying to read it out loud?

    In any case, there's no point arguing with you. You've clearly made your mind up as to which stance you're going to take on the matter.

    All I can say is that I personally don't think it's fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DialgaChampion View Post
    This is my point AlohaDave. Just as JamesFF has pointed out above, there is a grey area here, as with on all game shows. I do watch Wheel of Fortune quite frequently in fact. I have seen episodes in the past, like James mentioned, where leeway is given to contestants when solving puzzles. Pat further proved my point with his explanation at the end of the show's episode, indicating that there is leeway depending on the situation. As I previously mentioned, it's one thing if the puzzle is a "Phrase" and thus needs to be spoken out loud exactly word for word, since it is an actual phrase. But that was not the category for this puzzle.
    If they correct themselves BEFORE they complete their answer, then there's no problem. That's a common practice on game shows.

    By your, and the producers' logic, what would happen if every single letter on the board was completely filled in, yet the contestant didn't properly pronounce the answer due to a speech impediment or an accent? Would they deem the contestant's answer incorrect, even though the entire puzzle was revealed on the board and the contestant was trying to read it out loud?
    Do you really wanna find out?

    In any case, there's no point arguing with you. You've clearly made your mind up as to which stance you're going to take on the matter.

    All I can say is that I personally don't think it's fair.
    Try telling that to the Standards & Practices agents. They should be knocking on your door about now.

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    Thank you sshuffield70 for clarifying all that for DialgaChampion. You saved me a lot of typing.

    This person thinks I'm trying to argue with them. I'm not arguing at all. I've been on the show, I signed off on that extensive contract with pages and pages of detailed rules, so I know what I'm talking about.

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