Official Wrestling Discussion Thread

[GameShowFan1986]

Yeah he did. He basically just threw away his #1 Contendership tonight because The Miz dominated the whole match because he's awesome and is the most must see WWE Champion in history. But I do agree with something you said. I'm also laughing while typing this because you don't realize Miz's awesomeness like me, Michael Cole, and all the other awesome fans in this world.

I don't know what match you was watching but The Miz didn't dominated the whole match. The Miz is a joke and always be a joke to me...

[megamanj2004]

How impressive was that by The Miz? He's still our awesome and Legendary WWE Champion, which means I can continue to have my current profile picture up. And how better to start the year than Miz retaining his WWE Title fair and square while Morrison embarrassed himself. As that Christmas song goes, It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year.

Miz, Legendary?

He's only won one world title and he's NO WHERE in the same league as real legendary champions like Bruno Sammartino (in the days of the old WWWF), Bob Backlund, Hulk Hogan (in his prime), The Undertaker, HBK, Stone Cold Steve Austin, to some lesser extents HHH (though I personally didn't like his early title reigns), The Rock, and even to some lesser degrees Edge.

[racingchick1020]

Miz is legendary when pigs fly, the moon is made out of cheese, and I become a guy. And none of those are happening soon.

[King888]

Miz, Legendary?

He's only won one world title and he's NO WHERE in the same league as real legendary champions like Bruno Sammartino (in the days of the old WWWF), Bob Backlund, Hulk Hogan (in his prime), The Undertaker, HBK, Stone Cold Steve Austin, to some lesser extents HHH (though I personally didn't like his early title reigns), The Rock, and even to some lesser degrees Edge.

He's also only 30 which means Miz has over 10 more years to easily get 16 World Titles and surpass that record held by that loser Ric Flair. And Hogan, Triple H, and Edge good champions? They all cheated because Hogan was obviously on steroids and the other 2 got their belts handed to them. The Miz however is an awesome and Legendary Champion because he earned his title fair and square because he's just that Legendary.

[GameShowFan1986]

He's also only 30 which means Miz has over 10 more years to easily get 16 World Titles and surpass that record held by that loser Ric Flair. And Hogan, Triple H, and Edge good champions? They all cheated because Hogan was obviously on steroids and the other 2 got their belts handed to them. The Miz however is an awesome and Legendary Champion because he earned his title fair and square because he's just that Legendary.

The Miz didn't win the WWE Championship fair & square. He did what other past Money in the Bank winners did which was cash it when the the champion was weak & won.

[megamanj2004]

He's also only 30 which means Miz has over 10 more years to easily get 16 World Titles and surpass that record held by that loser Ric Flair. And Hogan, Triple H, and Edge good champions? They all cheated because Hogan was obviously on steroids and the other 2 got their belts handed to them. The Miz however is an awesome and Legendary Champion because he earned his title fair and square because he's just that Legendary.

What gameshowfan said.

And that's the one biggest thing I dislike about the MitB matches. It automatically guarantees a new champion.

[King888]

The Miz didn't win the WWE Championship fair & square. He did what other past Money in the Bank winners did which was cash it when the the champion was weak & won.

You've got to be kidding me? That's like saying The Miz didn't win against Jerry Lawler in that TLC Match fair and square. There both lies. Miz beat Orton very fairly because if you noticed during the match, Randy Orton still managed to fight and almost hit the RKO on our Legendary WWE Champion, but it just so happened that Miz won because he's just that awesome. Now with The Miz vs. Lawler Matches, Lawler quite obviously cheated because Morrison and Orton both illegally got involved 2 separate weeks in a row and Lawler took advantage because he knows he's always been a 61 year old joke for a Legend and can't beat our WWE Champion fairly. However, The Miz beat Jerry "The Queen" Lawler in that TLC Match fairly because Riley was just rooting for Miz when Lawler inexplicably knocked Riley out and Cole was doing what was best for the WWE and that was making sure a loser like Lawler didn't become champion.

[racingchick1020]

You've got to be kidding me? That's like saying The Miz didn't win against Jerry Lawler in that TLC Match fair and square. There both lies. Miz beat Orton very fairly because if you noticed during the match, Randy Orton still managed to fight and almost hit the RKO on our Legendary WWE Champion, but it just so happened that Miz won because he's just that awesome.

Wait... So you're saying that everybody else who cashed in their MITB on someone who had just finished a match didn't win fair and square? TAKE OFF THE ROSE-COLORED GLASSES.

[King888]

Wait... So you're saying that everybody else who cashed in their MITB on someone who had just finished a match didn't win fair and square? TAKE OFF THE ROSE-COLORED GLASSES.

The Miz and Rob Van Dam are the only ones to win it fairly. Edge, CM Punk, Jack Swagger, and Kane all cheated to win their cash ins. Both times, Edge defeated someone who was in a brutal match up with both Cena and Taker being bloody. CM Punk capitalized once Edge was attacked by Batista and later on beat an injured Jeff Hardy cheating to win both those titles. And Swagger and Kane did the same thing Punk did. So really out of all those MITB Ladder Matches, Miz and RVD were the only ones worthy of a World Title.

[GameShowFan1986]

You've got to be kidding me? That's like saying The Miz didn't win against Jerry Lawler in that TLC Match fair and square. There both lies. Miz beat Orton very fairly because if you noticed during the match, Randy Orton still managed to fight and almost hit the RKO on our Legendary WWE Champion, but it just so happened that Miz won because he's just that awesome. Now with The Miz vs. Lawler Matches, Lawler quite obviously cheated because Morrison and Orton both illegally got involved 2 separate weeks in a row and Lawler took advantage because he knows he's always been a 61 year old joke for a Legend and can't beat our WWE Champion fairly. However, The Miz beat Jerry "The Queen" Lawler in that TLC Match fairly because Riley was just rooting for Miz when Lawler inexplicably knocked Riley out and Cole was doing what was best for the WWE and that was making sure a loser like Lawler didn't become champion.

You forgot to add Nexus beat up Randy Orton beforehand which The Miz cashed the Money in the Bank after he saw Randy Orton weak so he didn't win the WWE Champion fair & square because everybody else who won the Money in the Bank did the same thing...

[racingchick1020]

Let's review how each Money in the Bank winner cashed in, shall we? All information comes from Wikipedia.
[LINK to Wiki page for you doubters]

Edge: Cashed in at New Year's Revolution 2006
John Cena had just retained the WWE championship in the Elimination Chamber. Edge comes out and beats him in about two minutes. The next night, Edge and Lita have their record-breaking celebration.

Rob Van Dam: Defended MITB/IC championship at Backlash 2006; cashed in at One Night Stand 2006
Again, we have a match against Cena. RVD decides to cash in his contract in front of the ECW faithful. He's the only person in MITB history to cash in for a legit match. Paul Heyman helps, however, and makes the three-count. Edge also helps by spearing Cena through a table.

Edge (x2): Awarded case on 5/7/07 RAW; cashed in on 5/11/07 SmackDown!
Originally, Mr. Kennedy wins the match at WrestleMania 23. He says that he's going to cash in the case at the next WrestleMania. He doesn't get to do so; Edge gets the case on a May edition of RAW. Four days later, there's a match on SD! between Undertaker and Batista for the World Heavyweight championship. Match ends in a draw. All of a sudden, Mark Henry comes and beats Undertaker down. Henry leaves, Edge comes, and successfully cashes in.

CM Punk: Cashed in on 6/30/08 RAW
Jim Ross is doing his farewell speech. Edge comes and interrupts Ross, kicks him out of the ring, and starts trash talking to the crowd about how they'll never see a world championship defended on RAW. Batista enters the picture and beats Edge senseless after Night of Champions the night before. Punk comes in and connects with the GTS. World Heavyweight championship is now RAW exclusive. (Both championships were on SD!.)

CM Punk (x2): Attempts cash-ins on 5/1 SmackDown! and 5/15 SmackDown!; cashed in at Extreme Rules 2009
Punk becomes the first person to win MITB twice (Edge does not count). He attempts to cash in on two different SD!s, but both times, both he and Edge (the champ at the time) were beat up by Umaga (the first time, Jeff Hardy helps the beatout). Cut to Extreme Rules. Jeff Hardy is now the champion, after beating Edge. Punk comes in, gets Hardy in not one, but two GTSes, and is awarded with his second reign with the World Heavyweight championship.

Jack Swagger: Attempts cash-in on 3/29 RAW; cashed in on 4/2 SmackDown!
The first time Swagger attempts the cash-in, the match never began. Cena is the WWE champion, but he's not beat down enough for Swagger to try to cash-in. Swagger tries again at the SD! for that week, taped the very next night. Swagger tries for the World Heavyweight championship, held by Chris Jericho. With help from an Edge spear, Swagger pins Jericho to win the belt.

Kane: Cashed in at Money in the Bank 2010
MITB is now a full Pay-Per-View. Two MITB matches are held that night - one for RAW, one for SD!. Kane wins the SD! MITB and decides to cash it in as quickly as possible. It doesn't take long for him to cash in, as he cashes in that same night. Quickest cash-in in the history of MITB.

Miz: Attempts cash-ins on 7/19 RAW and 7/26 RAW; cashes in at 11/22 RAW
Miz makes a little statement after the MITB match regarding his future. According to Wikipedia, the two times he tried to cash in against Sheamus, there was interference by R-Truth (the first time) and Randy Orton (the second time). In November, there was a scheduled match between Orton - the then champion - and Wade Barrett. Nexus beats Orton down and injures his knee. Orton manages to beat Barrett, however, but Miz comes out and beats Orton after going for his knee.

So for those of you who say that every single person cashed in after the champion was weak, RVD is the only one to prove you wrong.

[King888]

However, the Miz was able to take advantage of Orton's weakened state to win his first WWE Championship.

Either you or somebody else that apparently doesn't know what happened on that night put that line in there. The Miz did not take advantage of anybody and Orton was up and clearly fine when the bell rang and wasn't in any kind of weakened state. So I'll make sure to edit that out now for whoever put that bias crap in there.

[racingchick1020]

Did you not read what I wrote nine minutes before you posted?

I hate arse-kissers. You're clearly doing this for the "lulz".

[King888]

Weren't you the one that accused me of thinking wrestling was real? I should tell you for the first time than, wrestling is fake. Orton's supposive knee injury was fake and therefore Miz fought an okay Orton which means The Miz won the title fair and square because he's a Legend.

[TheKid965]

So for those of you who say that every single person cashed in after the champion was weak, RVD is the only one to prove you wrong.

RVD, and I firmly believe that if Ken Kennedy hadn't gotten injured we would've seen that angle play out till WrestleMania as threatened. (Recall that WWE.com even had a countdown clock to WM24 with Mr. Kennedy holding the briefcase on it.) That would've made him the only other one. Other than those two, yeah, it's been the "cash it in after the champ's had a tough match" card, every time, and frankly it's getting a bit too formulaic.

I'm also ambivalent at best about how every person who's cashed in the MitB title shot has won the belt. I'll grant that it really ramps up the importance of getting the briefcase in the first place, but sooner or later WWE is going to have to book a guy to cash in and fail in the attempt. Otherwise it just gets too predictable; we're arguably at that point already. As it is, the MitB has become what the Intercontinental title was in the '80s and early '90s: A stepping stone to the main event position, a means to give someone being groomed for bigger and better things a chance to run with a ball for a while and see how he does. Which is perfectly fine as far as it goes, but I'm just old-school enough in my mentality to believe this purpose could just as easily be served via the IC or US titles, by reinstating their traditional (albeit unspoken) implications that whoever holds these belts is next in line for the big prize.

Another interesting tidbit about MitB is that, until the standalone PPV, Edge was somehow involved in every single briefcase cash-in scenario:

• 2005: Won MitB match at WM21, cashed in against John Cena at New Year's Revolution '06.
• 2006: Interfered in RVD-Cena match at One Night Stand, costing Cena the belt.
• 2007: Defeated Mr. Kennedy for the briefcase (Kennedy, who won MitB at WM23, was injured and needed time off); cashed in against Undertaker on 11 May 2007 Smackdown!.
• 2008: Was the victim of CM Punk's cash-in.
• 2009: Although Punk cashed in against Jeff Hardy, it was only after Hardy had just won a match against Guess Who.
• 2010: Edge takes out Chris Jericho with a Spear, softening him up for Jack Swagger to cash in against him.

And then, of course, you had the Kane and Miz cash-ins to break the streak, but it's still an interesting statistic.